tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post108853642068326694..comments2024-03-26T15:06:32.924-04:00Comments on Ultragrrrl: Ultragrrrlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02672219138606650336noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088975489485694972004-07-04T17:11:00.001-04:002004-07-04T17:11:00.001-04:00Adi,
I will check out the book you mention, I app...Adi,<br /><br />I will check out the book you mention, I appreciate the citation. I will read with an open mind, although I think this claim (not specifically made by you) that Judaism is some kind of genetic condition is not only dubious, but is the type of pseudo-science that Nazi Germany used to exterminate many many Jews (saying Jewishness is genetic, and inferior genes). If you can chose to be Jewish, then Jewishness cannot be genetic. About Ethnicity: I concur on your point that there is a subsection of Jews who are considered "ethnic Jews". And all "ethnic Jews" are Jews, but it would be a logically fallacy to say "all Jews are ethnic Jews" [because of the aforementioned converts], this is my problem with calling Judaism on the whole an ethnicity. However, I will read the book you mention. [Full disclosure: the reason I am posting is that I have been recently trying to learn more about the "Israel issue", and am currently reading "The Origins and Evolution of the Arab-Zionist Conflict" by Michael J. Cohen. I have started with this book, because it is the history of the issue up until 1948. I feel that without a proper grasp of the history before that date, nothing going on today can possibly make sense to me.]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088975489434025752004-07-04T17:11:00.000-04:002004-07-04T17:11:00.000-04:00Adi,
I will check out the book you mention, I app...Adi,<br /><br />I will check out the book you mention, I appreciate the citation. I will read with an open mind, although I think this claim (not specifically made by you) that Judaism is some kind of genetic condition is not only dubious, but is the type of pseudo-science that Nazi Germany used to exterminate many many Jews (saying Jewishness is genetic, and inferior genes). If you can chose to be Jewish, then Jewishness cannot be genetic. About Ethnicity: I concur on your point that there is a subsection of Jews who are considered "ethnic Jews". And all "ethnic Jews" are Jews, but it would be a logically fallacy to say "all Jews are ethnic Jews" [because of the aforementioned converts], this is my problem with calling Judaism on the whole an ethnicity. However, I will read the book you mention. [Full disclosure: the reason I am posting is that I have been recently trying to learn more about the "Israel issue", and am currently reading "The Origins and Evolution of the Arab-Zionist Conflict" by Michael J. Cohen. I have started with this book, because it is the history of the issue up until 1948. I feel that without a proper grasp of the history before that date, nothing going on today can possibly make sense to me.]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088884949644709112004-07-03T16:02:00.000-04:002004-07-03T16:02:00.000-04:00Adi,
I will check out the book you mention, I app...Adi,<br /><br />I will check out the book you mention, I appreciate the citation. I will read with an open mind, although I think this claim (not specifically made by you) that Judaism is some kind of genetic condition is not only dubious, but is the type of pseudo-science that Nazi Germany used to exterminate many many Jews (saying Jews are an ethnicity, and an inferior ethnicity). If you can chose to be Jewish, then Jewishness, on the whole, cannot be genetic. About Ethnicity: I concur on your point that there is a subsection of Jews who are considered "ethnic Jews". And all "ethnic Jews" are Jews, but it would be a logically fallacy to say "all Jews are ethnic Jews" [because of the aforementioned converts], this is my problem with calling Judaism, on the whole, an ethnicity. However, I will read the book you mention. [Full disclosure: the reason I am posting is that I have been recently trying to learn more about the "Israel issue", and am currently reading "The Origins and Evolution of the Arab-Zionist Conflict" by Michael J. Cohen. I have started with this book, because it is the history of the issue up until 1948. I feel that without a property grasp of the history before that date, nothing going on today can possibly make sense to me.]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088877960393275622004-07-03T14:06:00.000-04:002004-07-03T14:06:00.000-04:00whoever referenced walter sobcheck you are my hero...whoever referenced walter sobcheck you are my hero.<br /><br />shomer shabbas dude.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088851581328220122004-07-03T06:46:00.000-04:002004-07-03T06:46:00.000-04:00ok, i didnt want to way in on this debate, but ill...ok, i didnt want to way in on this debate, but ill offer a few tidbits of info that may shed some light. lemme start with the "jewish genetic issue." while judaism is a religion, it is also more than that and very different from any of other major religions. being jewish is more like membership of a tribe or nation. what makes you jewish (according to jewish law) is having a parent who is jewish (according to the orthodox, only a mother), or going through a rather legnthy conversion process. kinda like being an american, but with God in there. the thing about being jewish is, once you are jewish, it can never be undone. you cant "renounce" your jewishness. you are forever linked to a people. so this means that you can be both 100% jewish and 100% atheist at the same time(and i know many people who are). for about 2000 years, pretty much nobody wanted to convert (and why would they?), so jews were pretty much the descendants of the people that lived in the kingdom of israel under king davids rule. this is also because (unlike the other religions) jews dont seek to convert anyone who isnt jewish. so, excluding the converts of modern times, the jews are a genetically unique group. jews are also at MUCH higher risk for certain genetic diseases (tay sachs, for one). if you would like to be better informed about jewish history, historian Paul Johnson wrote a very thorough (and acclaimed) book aptly titled "A History Of The Jews."<br /><br />As far as jewish claims in what is now Israel and the territories goes, check out this link:<br /><br />http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf1.html<br /><br />it is filled with many facts that may interest those that think the jews stole israel from the palestinians.Adihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14327648838148924189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088789050232810012004-07-02T13:24:00.000-04:002004-07-02T13:24:00.000-04:00Cara,
Could you point me toward literature that s...Cara,<br /><br />Could you point me toward literature that shows religion is genetic, an ethnicitiy, part of human DNA, et al. Of course I am only interested in legitimate scholarly literature here, not pro- or anti-religious propaganda. I have online access to JSTOR, and immediate acces to a major university library, so I will be able to locate any article if you simply give me that name of an article, book, etc and its author. Thanks much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088760811471592182004-07-02T05:33:00.000-04:002004-07-02T05:33:00.000-04:00ok...this got way out of hand. i think sarah's ma...ok...this got way out of hand. i think sarah's main point in linking to my blog was something along the lines of "no matter what you think politically, you may find this to be an interesting perspective that you havent yet heard." sarah is a good friend of mine, and i think that if i was your friend you would just look at my blog and see whats going on in my life regardless of how you feel about the politics of israel. my blog only exists because i wanted to keep my friends in the loop about whats going on with me. maybe there's a blog written by some palestinian guy that you can check out, too. anyhow, just because someone says the word "israel" doesnt mean you have to discuss politics instantly. sit back and take a look at the context first, kids.Adihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14327648838148924189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088714947864918232004-07-01T16:49:00.000-04:002004-07-01T16:49:00.000-04:00>>Historically, it's assumed that the Arabs took I...>>Historically, it's assumed that the Arabs took Israel from the Jews sometime in the first millennium. So it's been a while, yeah, but it was ours first>><br /><br />"Ours first"? I'm assuming this implies "jewish people'<br />s first" and further assuming that the writer is implying that Jewishness is a race. I'd be interested in learning of any legitimate academic scholar who would be willing to say Jewery -- or, indeed any religion -- is a race.<br /><br />Crude music analogy: saying religion is a race is like saying the genre of music a band plays makes up a race. The indie-rocker race, the electronica race, etc. But we know bands pick and chose their music. Often they change their genres or their sounds or their styles. Just like humans w/r/t religion. Like how Walter Sobcheck started out a Polish Catholic, then he married Synthia and became a Jew. <br /><br />Which once again proves my theory that 'The Big Lebowski' is the most significant artistic achievement of the past twenty five yearsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088710477553833782004-07-01T15:34:00.000-04:002004-07-01T15:34:00.000-04:00"not being willing to roll over and die because so..."not being willing to roll over and die because someone else wants you gone. It's about not letting your entire people get wiped out..."<br /><br />sounds heroic, but how does being a drunk, blogging rubbish dj staging elaborate fake proms have anything to do with what youve mentioned?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088697415137531272004-07-01T11:56:00.000-04:002004-07-01T11:56:00.000-04:00Don't listen to those idiots - there's a big diffe...Don't listen to those idiots - there's a big difference between stating your opinion and just being a jackass. Keep blogging! I need something to read when I'm bored at work! I'm jewish, but don't mind being called a jew because I never realized it was an insult. I always looked at it like an endearing nickname, like 'honky' or 'cracker'. Hee. I also stopped caring about stupid people a long time ago, and hope you do the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088696341637375502004-07-01T11:39:00.000-04:002004-07-01T11:39:00.000-04:00Gawker officially sucks.Gawker officially sucks.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15276719869600561194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088695743797366312004-07-01T11:29:00.000-04:002004-07-01T11:29:00.000-04:00"Israel was stolen from the Palestinians. FACT." ..."Israel was stolen from the Palestinians. FACT." Um, okay. Where do you live, pal? Because if you're worried about land being stolen from people, well, you might want to research your genealogy and figure out which boat you ought to get on to go back where you came from, because chances are the land you're sitting on was stolen from someone, too. Go find you friendly neighborhood Native American and give him your keys.<br /><br />Israel isn't going anywhere, whether it was "stolen" from someone or not. The Americas aren't being given back to Native Americans, nor Africa to native Africans, nor Australia to the Aboriginal peoples. You can moan and point fingers about someone "stealing" land or you can accept their presence and move on and work towards coexisting peacefully. Obviously one of those is *slightly* more productive than the other...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088695296456141242004-07-01T11:21:00.000-04:002004-07-01T11:21:00.000-04:00PEOPLE! What i was pointing out as being awesome i...PEOPLE! What i was pointing out as being awesome is that my friend has a blog and he lives a different life than me and my other friends. My goodness! At no point did i say "hey! check it out! he's running over villages!" cause he's not! He's riding in trains and eating israeli food and taking photos of cats and paying an arm and a leg for a drivers license... I just thought I'd share. Geez! Take a chill pill dudes.Ultragrrrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02672219138606650336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088693828325499792004-07-01T10:57:00.000-04:002004-07-01T10:57:00.000-04:00you're welcome.
-cyou're welcome.<br /><br />-cAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088692819282953632004-07-01T10:40:00.000-04:002004-07-01T10:40:00.000-04:00THANK YOU!!!
finally some one with some sense.
W...THANK YOU!!!<br /><br />finally some one with some sense.<br /><br />We couldn't agree with you more.<br /><br />-Laura & Scott G.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088685114272732992004-07-01T08:31:00.000-04:002004-07-01T08:31:00.000-04:00In reference to the comment, "Hiding behind an Ano...In reference to the comment, "Hiding behind an Anonymous tag and spewing hateful barbs over a "cheeky" comment? Get a life."<br /><br />The counterpoint to this is the fact that if you post things on a very public blog, by sheer nature of the internet (and the comment button provided in this context) they are open to interpretation and debate. It doesn't necessarily have to be intelligent and inspired, either. In fact, it often descends into petty low blows, interspersed with random chunks of intelligent commentary.<br /><br />The statement, "Now his blog is filled with photos of really hot (male and female) soldiers carrying around semi-automatic assult weapons and gigantic tanks and shit. It's awesome," may have been intended as cheek.<br />However, a contrary statement siding with the palestinians would bring about widespread vitrol from jews, and the standby accusation of antisemitism would fly forth. Guaranteed. <br /><br />My overall point is: If sarah doesn't like having to account for her statements, however unreasonable the comments may be, stop blogging. however, it seems that as blogs are the virtual crack rock to self promoters, thats not going to happen anytime soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088656351906438022004-07-01T00:32:00.000-04:002004-07-01T00:32:00.000-04:00to the genius who called sarah an "INSENSITIVE fuc...to the genius who called sarah an "INSENSITIVE fucking jew!':<br /><br />Feel better now that you've proved yourself to be an ignorant racist prick?<br /><br />Thank GodAllah for the internet 'cos people like you wouldn't have too many teeth left if you said that to someone's face.<br /><br />Joshy G.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088654116510270822004-06-30T23:55:00.000-04:002004-06-30T23:55:00.000-04:00Do you like stuff?Do you like stuff?michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02089433988516881518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088650109948162002004-06-30T22:48:00.000-04:002004-06-30T22:48:00.000-04:00You INSENSITIVE fucking jew!
If you agree with th...You INSENSITIVE fucking jew!<br /><br />If you agree with the Israeli army so much, why don't you go enlist and give us a fucking break from your stupidity?!!<br /><br />Oh yeah, you can listen to the killers in your big “awesome” tank!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088646150457911502004-06-30T21:42:00.000-04:002004-06-30T21:42:00.000-04:00This is just ridiculous... angry people calm down!...This is just ridiculous... angry people calm down!<br /><br />I just want to know what happens in 2 days. It's like an advent calendar without the little chocolates!Seppohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16786658011447567614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088644376069504112004-06-30T21:12:00.000-04:002004-06-30T21:12:00.000-04:00http://web.amnesty.org/pages/isr-180504-action-eng...http://web.amnesty.org/pages/isr-180504-action-eng<br /><br />Like, look at my boyfriend's IDF blog. It's so very mega! They can, you know, ride around in tanks and shit listening to The Killers and kill brown people and whatever. Awesome!<br /><br />Stay tuned for 9,834 pictures of me drunk and making out with hot band boys!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088634289394911402004-06-30T18:24:00.000-04:002004-06-30T18:24:00.000-04:00While Sara and I have very similar viewpoints on t...While Sara and I have very similar viewpoints on the situation, I think that Husky G has really said all that needs to be said about the topic.<br /><br />Needless to say, it's all very difficult.<br /><br />Imran, if you're reading this, dude... Godallah wants us to get married i know it! It's time for us to make our gorgeous multi-ethnic babies!Ultragrrrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02672219138606650336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088625728348582052004-06-30T16:02:00.000-04:002004-06-30T16:02:00.000-04:00yeah be cool like fonzie pleaseyeah be cool like fonzie pleaseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088625573464229542004-06-30T15:59:00.000-04:002004-06-30T15:59:00.000-04:00You people are insane. This is not Christopher Hit...You people are insane. This is not Christopher Hitchen's blog. Be cool.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5604526.post-1088622961061258532004-06-30T15:16:00.000-04:002004-06-30T15:16:00.000-04:00More photos of Mr. Flowers!More photos of Mr. Flowers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com